Tuesday, December 19, 2006

Angelus Silesius

"If even in Christ himself there were Selfwill at all,
Despite his Blessedness, believe me, he would fall."

Don't know quite what to make of that....

6 comments:

Emily said...

Without reading the context, I can say that it sounds a little like heresy. :)

Nick said...

Ya...except it is just that. This guy only writes in little couplets.

Btw, this is from Keith's mystic! :~)

Emily said...

How did I know . . .

Camlost said...

I think it sounds heretical as well. I think I might know what his point is in saying that the fall of man (or any fall) is the result of selfwill, but I think he could have articulated that much better with a different example, rather than one that says that in any way God Himself could fall. It seems to be an improper view of Christ's divinity (in his terms "blessedness"?) to say such a thing.

Emily said...

I haven't read any of those links yet, maybe I'll have some time later, but I just wanted to stop to say merry Christmas!

Keith said...

Without context, I also am not certain as to what to make of it. However, even without context, note well the "if" in the quote. This doesn't seem to be heretical to me because of the conditional "if." That would be like me saying that "If there was lust in Jesus he would look at a woman wrongly." Is that heretical since the "if" condition isn't fulfilled anyway? His blessedness already excludes lust and in a certain sense the lust already means he has fallen and any looking at a woman would merely be the outworking. It almost turns into a tautology (truism). In a certain sense if there was "selfwill" then he has already fallen. Besides his blessedness would exclude "selfwill" (all this is assuming that selfwill is some sort of sinful autonomy or something like that).

It is somewhat strange and I don't think that is the best way to make a point but I am not sure it is heretical.